Danish cartoon debate

11 thoughts on “Danish cartoon debate”

1. I don’t think it’s that simple. It’s not a question of submitting to anyone’s taboos, but rather one of common sense. It was 100% predictable that those cartoons would stir up the muslim community.

   So one has to wonder at the underlying motivation behind those cartoons, beyond the just “because I can” mentality.

   Interesting how it’s playing in the United States with President Bush condemning the cartoons. I think this is setting the stage for homegrown censorship.

   What real purpose was served? Whose agendas were advanced? I believe those cartoons are the ammo that will be used by religious extremists of all faiths to justify censorship.

   Just you wait until someone publishes a “Jesus as Pedophile” cartoon in the United States in reaction to abuses by the Catholic Church.

   Will it still be ok then?

2. Actually, Ruben, it would. Mostly. We in America have a huge tradition of lampooning God in all his/her/its manifestations. If someone, even a Muslim, cartoonist drew a cartoon making fun of Jesus (or Yeshua ben Yossi of Nazareth) as pedophile, there’d be some outcry… sort of. Maybe even vocal enough to reach a few editorial pages. Most people would tell these guys to shut up, though.

   Most people in America have more important stuff to consider. Like Peter … he wants to get this XBOX set off of Amazon auctions or something… he asks me what to do, from 7 time zones away.

   Those few hours that you and Spyros had alone with him must have been very… educational…

3. It really is that simple. It is a question of submission… From the very meaning of the word “Islam” to the actions of the rioters… those who submit want all of us to submit.

   As to Ruben’s comment,“Just you wait until someone publishes a “Jesus as Pedophile” cartoon in the United States in reaction to abuses by the Catholic Church” It has happened. There were plenty of people crying about the jokes being in bad taste, but embassies weren’t closed, property wasn’t destroyed, cars and buildings weren’t burned. When Christians were up in arms over the art of Robert Maplethorpe, there was no rioting in the streets, nor calls for holy war. Complaining? Yes… Violence? Certainly not.

   Islam is different… we see it every day.

4. Immigration is a good thing, unless the immigrants are 3rd world DEVOUT Moslems. I myself have immigrated to Sweden (beautiful country, beautiful people, kind people – but like that rest of the West, ignorant about Islam).

   In the West, we assume that if an immigrant comes to our country that they will try to assimilate into our culture and accept our values. This is generally true of all immigrants except devout Moslems. They have been so brainwashed by their religion that they cannot accept a non-moslem culture. Please note that I am talking about the DEVOUT MOSLEMS. I am not talking about the Moslems who were only Moslem for fear of being put to death. They were religious prisoners in their old countries! Usually when they get to the West, they find the courage to leave Islam!

   The good people (countries) of the West bring these devout Moslems in not knowing the truth behind Islam. Islam IS a religion of TERROR! It has been from the start!

   I started learning about Islam after one of them murdered my mother by crashing a plane back on Oct 31, 1999. What I have learned is MIND BLOWING to say the least.

   Before my mother’s murder, I believed what I HEARD about Islam. That it is a religion of PEACE and that they worship the same God that the Jews and the Christians worship. The people of the West and their governments also believe this and therefore believe that the Moslems should be able to become good immigrants.

   I now know I was given INCORRECT information by UNINFORMED people regarding the Islamic religion. Here is what I have learned. As far as what I am about to say, don’t just take my word as the truth, study about “their prophet” and how their religion grew for yourself and you too will know the truth. You will soon understand that the God THEY worship is NOT the God we worship!

   Now please understand that what I am about to say is purely a western viewpoint because the Moslems see it entirely different. What I have learned is that Mohammed was a murdering, sadistic, raping, thieving, lying, slave trading, warmongering, pedophile, who had no problem assassinating anyone who spoke up against him or against “HIS” religion. These ARE documented historical facts; find them yourself!

   In short – Mohammed and his band of followers started out by ROBBING the caravans that traveled the desert. He KILLED the caravan people if they tried to defend themselves and sometimes even when they did not try to defend themselves, and he then took their loot for himself and his followers.

   He would attack the villages around him and kill off the men, take the women and children as SLAVES for himself and his followers and of course he would take their possessions. Any female slaves he desired were then RAPED. The historical records talk about him desiring a married woman of a family of UNBELIEVERS, so he killed her husband and raped her that night! It is in THEIR book!

   Even though he had numerous wives and many slave girls, one day he saw his adapted son’s wife in some state of undress and suddenly had an urge for her. He told his son to divorce the woman so that he could have her. The son complied and Mohammed took her. (In the West, we WOULD NOT consider this to be a MORAL man!)

   One wife he married when she was 6 years old. This is OK because there were many child marriages back then but there was NO sex until the girl well past the onset of puberty and so was 11 to 16 years old. In the West Mohammed would be defined as a PEDOPHILE because he strongly desired sex with this child bride. Finally when she was 9 years old, he had sex with her. It is written that at that moment she was playing dolls with her friends when the women came to take her to Mohammed. – Draw your own conclusions.

   There are also stories of very SADISTIC acts carried out by Mohammed. For example, some man who committed some crime and when he refused to “repent” Mohammed cut off an arm and a leg. Day(s) later, the man still refused to repent and the prophet cut off his other arm and leg. Day(s) later the last refusal to repent lead to the burning out of the eyes, cutting out his tongue and dragging him out into the desert to die with the warning that anyone who tried to help this man would suffer the same fate. To which the Moslem “HOLY” book exclaims “Mohammed, the Merciful, the Just!” In the West we consider this to be SADISTIC!

   FINALLY — AND MOST IMPORTANTLY!!! Anybody who SPOKE AGAINST Mohammed was put to DEATH ! Anyone who SPOKE AGAINST ISLAM, was put to DEATH ! Anyone WHO LEFT ISLAM, was put to DEATH !

   There is the story of 2 unrelated people, from the village that took the Mohammedans in when they were just starting out, who were shocked by what Mohammed and his followers were doing. They each wrote some kind of poem that painted Mohammed in a less than favorable light. The man was ASSASINATED in his sleep and likewise the woman was ASSASINATED in her sleep as well as her ENTIRE FAMILY!

   The reason why this is so IMPORTANT is that, with ANYONE who spoke out against Mohammed or Islam, or even who left Islam once they had converted to Islam (or was born into Islam) being put to DEATH — NO ONE SPOKE OUT ! NO ONE QUESTIONED ISLAM AND NO ONE TRIED TO LEAVE ISLAM !

   People converted to Islam out of FEAR because people who were Moslem could not be killed by Mohammed’s army! They could NOT be made into slaves (only unbelievers could be slaves)! They could keep their property and they would have the protection of Mohammed’s army against the unbelievers. Covet thy unbelieving neighbor’s property – it is yours for the taking!

   The Moslems excuse the killing, robbing and enslaving because he was waging God’s War against the nonbelievers! The Moslems say that if a woman is your slave, it is NOT rape when you have sex with her because you own her and she has no say in the matter. They say he was not a pedophile because the 9 year old was his wife. The Moslems ignore the other transgressions of Mohammed because AS God’s Prophet, there was ONE SET OF RULES that applied to Mohammed and ANOTHER SET of rules that applied to the rest of Islam.

   The Moslems have been so indoctrinated that after 1,400 years, they truly believe BADMOUTHING Islam by ANYONE deserves death! They do not and cannot understand a FREE society.

   Islam spread through war and rape. After Mohammed died, the various tribes started to leave Islam. The Mohammedan Army put a quick stop to that by killing the apostates. The Mohammedan Armies continued to wage war and Islam spread. The stories of how the holy warriors would move into an area, slaughter the men and place the women into harems are again – historical fact! Make a lot of babies with these women and soon Islam is the law of the land without question.

   After the Islamists entered the Christian lands, the Christians fought back and stopped the Islamic advance into the West. And IN A COMPLETE REWRITING OF HISTORY, it is the Moslems who claim it was the Christians who attacked and waged a crusade against Islam! The Moslem wars against India saw incredible CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY waged against the Indian people! Historical FACT – just find it for yourself.

   Christianity did not spread through war. Buddhism did not spread through war. Zoroasterism did not spread through war. Only Islam spread through war.

   There is SO much more to this story, you need to find it and understand it for yourself. I believe that once the truth is known, Islam will be exposed for the terroristic religion it truly is! I know people here who were Moslem, who came to the West and when they found out the truth about their religion of “PEACE”, promptly left it knowing that they would not be put to death in the free countries of the West (although in reality, some have been murdered here for leaving Islam).

   –An Unbeliever who now faces the death penalty for speaking the truth of Islam!

5. I am appalled at the violent reaction across the globe by Moslem extremists.

   Steve, I am sorry for your loss. Your historical recap is compelling.

   After giving this some thought, I cannot think of any other religion that uses violence in today’s world to achieve its relgious objectives.

   Do you all think the newspaper that published these cartoons understood what they were doing? Do you think the goal of publishing these cartoons was to provoke the Islamic extremists and unmask the religion’s pretense of being a religion of peace?

   Do you think the cartoonist will end up dead, killed by an extremist? Look at Theo van Gogh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director), who was killed because of his anti-Islamic writings, as well as his film, “Submission”.

   Ok, I agree with all of you, why doesn’t your President?
   I am not trolling, I just find it hard to believe that President Bush did not stand up for the freedom of the press (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/3635462.html)

   From the linked article:
   “We find them offensive, and we certainly understand why Muslims would find these images offensive,” said State Department spokesman Sean McCormack.

6. Really good reading.

7. Why not get rid of G Bush who got us into this mess and then NUKE THE DAMN FANATIC MUSLIM WORLD!!!!!!!! LETS TAKE THEIR DAMN OIL FOR FREE!!!!!! STOP THE LOSS OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS AND KILL THE STUPID FANATICAL MUSLIMS – IF THERE IS SOME INNOCENTS – WE DID THAT BEFORE HAMBURG, HIROSHIMA, NAGASAKI, DRESDEN JUST TO NAME A FEW!!!!!

8. The headlines declaring “Clash of Civilizations” leave me agog.

   The behaviour of the rioting Muslims certainly has NOT been civilized; indeed, the historical (and hysterical) actions of this group of fantatics is at odds with the civilized world.

   They are not part of civiliztion, they a culture of anarchists, pure and simple.

   One wonders if they realize their reaction to the cartoons (which I found really UNoffensive, restrained and low-key) demonstrate to the world the validity of the point being made by them.

9. Great reading first thing in the morning. I am appalled that this cartoon has created such outcry. Obviously the guidelines for Freedom of Speech/Press are separated between the Muslims and the rest. I don’t think the cartoon was the reasons that created the riots, etc., I think it was another excuse for them to take it to the extreme. If we started riots for every cartoon to was offensive we’ld have to call the army back from Iraq.
   I say deal with them in any country where riots exist as terrorists!

10. Steve- I am very interested in finding out more about the history of Islam. Where should I look to find the information I need? I doubt the Koran will be of any use as it has no doubt been re-interpreted to hide anything unsavoury. I’m not too sure how I feel about the whole issue right now. I have family in Denmark and am obviously angry that they are under threat of terrorist attacks, but as for what I think of Islam itself I can’t say until I know more. Too many people have big opinions without actually knowing the facts.

11. The daish cartoon crossed the line completley. Its totally unbelievable that the editors of the cartoon didn’t expect what they got from the muslims. At a time like this it should be obvious that something as extreme as dissing prophet mohammed in a damn on a national cartoon would cause not a stir but an earthquake. Islam is being targeted be ignorent people such as the cartoon publishers. Why is the prophet getted targeted is he the one who blew up the twin towers? and in what way are the danish and the Americans connected? if anyone should be targeted it should be no.1 terrorist George Bush.

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